E:0 Pt.1 FOREST FLOOR™ Mycelial Network™ - Why? 

26-Aug-2024 

Episode Zero, pt. I: Why launch Forest Floor's Mycelium Network Podcast?  

 

 

E0,pt.1: Summary  

Matthew Flansburg discusses the significance of collective understanding in the emerging mushroom market, sharing his insights on organizing talent through collective programs and understanding people's choices. He also shares personal experiences coping with the loss of his father in 1997, dropping out of school, and experiencing recurring nightmares. Flansburg critiques the American subscription model for mental health, arguing that it prioritizes profit over people, and shares his personal experience with a pharmaceutical company that refused to collaborate with a foundation to develop a life-saving drug. He emphasizes the need for a more holistic approach to mental health and the ethical implications of corporations' actions in addressing social problems. 

E0,pt.1: Timeline  

00:00:00 Given to Fly

• The host, Matthew Flansburg, shares stories of love and friendship in dedication to his mentors and heroes.
• Matthew Flansburg reflects on the importance of documenting conversations and memories.

00:03:07 Why we are creating "The Mycelium Network"

00:04:13 Colorado is "Mushroom Mountain"

00:04:58 The power of thoughts, words, and actions in entrepreneurship. 

• Entrepreneur relocates to Colorado due to similar vibe to Silicon Valley in the 90s.
• Matthew Flansburg argues that current employee-company relations are at an all-time low due to C-suite motivations.
• Matthew Flansburg emphasizes the power of thought and language in manifesting success.

00:12:11 Manifestation, purpose, and mushrooms’ role in ecossystems.

• Flansburg emphasizes importance of values in business, manifestation, and purpose. 
• Mushrooms are "absurd hybrid organisms" with unique qualities that benefit ecosystems.

00:17:15 Grieving and nightmares after father’s death.

• Matthew Flansburg discusses the importance of fungi in decomposing organic matter. 
• Matthew Flansburg's father has a heart attack, and he regrets not seeing him before he passed away.
• Matthew struggled with nightmares after his father's death, feeling uncomfortable in his dreams.

00:23:32 Mushrooms spores, friendships, and coping with loss. 

• Matthew Flansburg discusses his friend Daniel, who lived down the street and died, affecting Matthew's academic and personal life.
• Matthew recounts his experiments with drugs, guns, and explosives, and how he didn't handle it correctly due to lack of coping skills.
• Matthew Flansburg and a friend, Dave Dick, discuss obtaining mushroom spores to help cope with difficult times.
• Dave Dick is not interested in participating in the process but offers to cheer them on and help with any task he can. 

00:28:52 Drug use and depression in the 1990s.

• Matthew Flansburg reminisces about the "nose twins" and Casey Morris in Tempe. 
• Matthew Flansburg reflects on his past alcohol use and its impact on his life.
• Matthew Flansburg discusses his experiences with depression and desires for a "reset solution."

00:35:25 Growing mushrooms using mail order catalogs and DIY methods. 

• Matthew Flansburg and Daniel wanted to grow mushrooms, but they were unsure of legality.
• Dave Dick convinced the nose-twins to receive a package for them, providing plausible deniability.
• Flansburg and Daniel built a DIY humidity system for spore inoculation and growth using old school / OG methods.

00:40:52 The profit-driven pharmaceutical industry and its impact on society. 

• Matthew Flansburg criticizes the American healthcare system for prioritizing profit over solving medical problems.
• Flansburg argues that the medical system's reliance on drugs is absurd and will be undermined by alternatives.
• Flansburg argues against protecting industries from disruptive technologies. 

00:47:31 Pharmaceutical companies’ lack of action to help cure cancer despite correlations to existing drug. 

• Matthew Flansburg shares his personal experience with a pharmaceutical company's cheap drug that showed promise in treating neuroblastoma cancer.
• Flansburg's friend's foundation has raised money to fund research on this drug, which has the potential to cure cancer.
• Matthew Flansburg expresses disbelief at pharma company's request for millions of dollars to study cheap cancer drug.
• Flansburg questions why company would prioritize profits over saving children's lives.
• Matthew Flansburg criticizes corporate entities for prioritizing profits over helping kids with cancer.

00:51:37 Big Pharma doesn't care about you. 

E0,pt.1: Transcript 

0:00
He floated back down because he wanted to share his key to the locks on the chains that he saw everywhere. But first he was stripped and then he was stabbed by faceless men, well, fuckers, he still stands. And he still gives his love. He just gives it away. The love that he receives is the love that is saved. And sometimes it is seen a strange spot in the sky, a human being that's given to fly.

0:32
This is Episode Zero of the Forest Floor Mycelium Network. I'm your host, Matthew Flansburg. And we start from the beginning, right. So chapter zero is a dedication, mostly, perhaps an outline for future episodes. Nonetheless, we're gonna capture a number of stories, and most of the stories I would consider them love stories, love of life, love of friendship, love, creation, love of the journey. And some of these people that I'm going to describe deserve to be talked about the heroes of the world, right. And without the stories, their memory fades. And so in many ways, this is a dedication attribute to a handful of people, some and more impactful than others. But all of them had their place in their time. And as I get older, and as they no longer exist in this world, a lot of the things that I learned from them need to be repackaged re reformulated for the new generations, the things that resonated different games, different different frequencies, but the same old stories. They're timeless. And the lessons that we're going to talk about family are talking about mentors. And in truth, it could be considered a sin not to or a violation of code of some sort, to not recollect and not remember and not validate the meaning behind a lot of the influencing forces of my life. And of all of our lives is truly you have these people as well. But before it's all said and done need to document a lot of these conversations, a lot of these memories.

3:07
Ultimately, it'll define why we're doing what we're doing here. Why we are creating this mycelium network at the end of the day, I think bringing like people with like experiences and perhaps like desires together in a focused community is really the ultimate goal of this podcast is to get to know and understand the emphasis of why other people are choosing to go into the mushroom market in general. More importantly, the why? Why are they doing that? There's obvious reasons. There's an emerging market unfolding beneath our feet (just like mycelium ;-), especially here in Colorado, with current legislation, leaning more towards the experimental side more towards the what if side of possibilities.

4:13
So I would consider Denver, Colorado to be another instance of a supernova of ideas emerging from not unlike Silicon Valley was and continues to be some in some degree, but truly in a tight Silicon Valley and early 2000s, late late 90s Till the crash in 2001. But at that point in time, it was the epicenter for like individuals in the tech community and it's one of the more intoxicating experiences as being in that environment at that time in history. It was truly intoxicating. The amount of ideas, the amount of money, the amount of freedom, the feeling of all things are possible. Literally could be felt like electricity in the air walking in Mountain View back in the late 90s. almost indescribable now with all the economic depression that we've since experienced, but there was a collective understanding that everything was going to be okay, that everything that we had the keys to our destiny in our hands, as we were building applications that a lot of people were building at the time that, you know, have since been replaced and iterated upon. Nonetheless, Denver has a similar feel to it these days a little bit different coming out of all these holes that we've been in. But nonetheless, there's that same vibe, that same potentiality. And that is one of the driving factors of why we've relocated here. And we'll be launching officially, in this state. It's the epicenter. So of Silicon Valley with silicon value, Dolly, what is what is Colorado mushroom mountain? Why not go from the days of Silicon Valley to the days of mushroom mountain.We talked about one of the things that we liked about those days of Silicon Valley-ism, while there was a collective collective understanding, and a kind of interesting way to organize talent, and that was certainly through stock options, and other sort of vis a vis, quid pro quo systems in which employees in some way, shape or form, enjoy the benefits of working with a growing company. And I think, over the past 20 years, 25 years specifically, I've seen the degradation of those types of collective programs. And most of those have now been replaced with the commoditization of these workers. And I find that to be quite, quite shameful in from a truly business standpoint, now, knowledge will tell you that, you know, this is a natural outcome of late stage capitalism. And logics good for your head, data's good, and all that stuff. But the current state of I'd say employee company relations is at all time low. And this is primarily due to the desires of the C suite and the motivations that they have. And currently, there are very few motivations to collectively share things. In in specifics, to switch kind of the, the focus on on maximizing shareholder returns now, what's going to happen is, quite honestly, there's going to be a swatch of unhappy people within the pool of talent, and there'll be stretched thin, but inevitably, these talented people will find a way. And I think this program, will be highlighting a great number of these kinds of self made entrepreneurs in a new market. Let's face it. The mushroom market is an emergent one, with analogues towards the marijuana industry, which I postulate, most will fail in analog comparison. We can get into that later, future episodes. But what I mean by that is there's going to be certain tactics, certain strategies that people have formulated based on the unique circumstances of the marijuana market. And most of that has to do with growing, I can go into deep deep on that. Certainly at a future date, we will, however, some of these strategies will be proven to be false leads in the sense that the analog will break because we're going to discover that the methodology of acquiring mushrooms in the methods that are currently being practiced across the country are not quite analogous, and there's going to be some emerging opportunities that nobody has their eyes on right now. Which is good.

9:54
And that's good because people are going to be thinking in different directions. But let's get back to just nonstop kind of process of, of getting, getting these ideas in the right package. Right. So, in truth, like, the manifestation of things really does start with the thought. And then it moves to the word. And then it manifests into action. Pretty simple mechanism, right? But word action, now really advanced people to go to thought action. But I think the illustrative point of this is the word has power. Thought as power, word has power, action has more power. This is analogous to a lot of kind of religious systems, right? It's also analogous to how Olympic athletes project themselves into a winning state, you know, project themselves onto the gold metal table or whatever hierarchy they see themselves achieving that goal. But it starts with a thought, right? And then the word, I'm going to do this, and then they do what they do. Put something into action. So that's kind of a fundamental, ultimate great starting place to, you know, instead of showing you the product of the last, you know, year and quite honestly as 25 years of thought. We start with the kind of basics, like what are those thoughts? Like? What are what are the basic impetus is what are the basic driving factors of what, why we do the way, the way we do the things that we do? I think a lot of us have guiding lights. And certainly we have standards and certain things. Really good companies have these things manifested physically in statements, and then in kind of ways of encapsulating the idea, right? There's, there's, but what, what are the importance of these values in business, we're going to really get into that, because I think they're probably the most valuable thing in business. And it really would differentiate, helped to differentiate this concept of mercenaries and missionaries in the business space. And let's be clear, you know, my assessment of reality is just that it's just my assessment of reality, yours is definitely going to differ. We all have different perceptions, right? Which leads to different kinds of thought processes and things like that. But let's, let's just say that from a basic framework, whatever we think, turns into words we use, and results in the actions that we take. So it really does begin with the thought the beginning of the reasons why now, if people aren't deep in thought, and they're into a lot of words, and if they're into a lot of action, without that thought, that typically can be problematic. All action, no thought. Whereas all words, no action has also a bleak place in reality, right? So, ultimately, here, I think what I am trying to describe is a pathway to manifestation. And I'm not talking about, you know, pulling things out of thin air. But I think manifestation and truth is finding our purpose. Because there is a purpose for us to be here. I think that's the first real step in and taking the bigger leap into the unknown is realizing that you could have a purpose. And then I think the next step is finding that purpose and then following after that is, is is achieving what that purpose is right? And then and keep moving forward. And that's the one thing I like about mushrooms in particular. They allow things to move forward, philosophically and in action. In a philosophically, mushrooms are this kind of absurd hybrid organism thing. That's different, right? As different respiration properties similar to animals similar to plants, it grows out of the ground, similar to plant. But genetically, it's a lot like an animal. But then it's got these other qualities that are completely unique. And a lot of mushrooms, you know, live in places where they are needed to further the ecosystem. And what we've found, and this show we'll definitely have some of these programs on. There's one that comes to mind that was introduced to me in 2016, or 2017, by a friend of mine, Melinda, and I listen to it on the way out of Santa Cruz, or we're Yeah, and it was tree to shining tree, but I forget the name of the podcast, and I'll be sure and link it. It's fantastic. But it was one of the first podcasts to really kind of shine the light on what that white stuff is when you're in a forest and you kick over some dirt. And that really opens up a wormhole of understanding that typically lies beneath us and goes unnoticed. It's a great podcast, so be sure and and share it. It's just fantastic. But what it'll do is allow you to look at mushrooms and the mycelium network that actually exists in a whole new way. You'll understand that there's a barter economy of sorts, between different species of trees, plants, and actually living organisms that become part of this symbiotic ecosystem. Just fascinating. I mean, without these mushrooms, some say that all of the pulpal, the swampy bark and celluloid material would have caused bugs and like forever swamps everywhere in the world, had not fungus helped break down those things, decompose those things and turn it into the next stage. And the circle of life then can complete itself within a forest and it's within that forest than that floor that we find ourselves it's the perfect place for mushrooms so why mushrooms?

18:16
Certainly, if I am starting a podcast and alluding towards dedicating my life towards mushroom related things. What's What's the gig? What is what's the reason? What's the what's the purpose? What's the why. So understand that let's go back in time, lower 25 years ago, October 1997 Cobra night, I believe Thursday. And I got called out of my mathematics methods for physicist class. And there's only a handful, maybe six to seven of us in that class. But police officer is out the door, fairly early morning class 9:30, 10:00am or so. Officer at the door of our of our physics room, asked to see me and I joke to my buddy next may think was Austin Godber I think I said that I think they're here for me. And I was thinking of something totally unrelated. I was thinking of something to do with a car or something else but had nothing to do with what I was about to experience. And so I went outside in the hallway, the officer and said, you know what's going on? So if somebody so he's at the hospital, you need to go. But initially, I thought it was my grandmother. And then I quickly figured out they wouldn't have called me out of class for that. that so I had about I don't know, half an hour to get to the heart, hospital like emergency room thing that I was directed to go kid in my class technique and tell you which one took me at this point, I remember my head is out the window. And looking at the side wondering what the heck we get to the hospital. They tell me my dad's had a heart attack. Say he's been gone for like an hour and a half. And they asked me said, Do you want to go see him? I said, Now I had this birthday a couple of weeks earlier, I had dinner with him the night a couple of nights before I said, No, no, I had dinner with him, I want to remember that. I want to remember I'm that way. I'd later regret that decision for a number of years. Due to the nightmares I had, that there's a story about elephants. So it's an elephant dies outside of its environment, like in captivity. They found that it's really therapeutic for the other animals to get some sort of validation that they've gotten some sort of physical representation or acknowledgement. Because what ended up happening was they get these bizarre, you know, nightmares where my father would show up. And, you know, this is still pretty early, early stages after this. So there's a lot of doubt that he was even dead in my dreaming states, right? And so I'd have these moments where I had to speak naturally having a conversation with him in a dream. And then it would just come crashing down. I'd be like, you can't be here. Like, you're not to be here. Not supposed to be you're dead, you know, and he died get really upset. Like, what are you talking about? And it was just really this uncomfortable. situation once my daytime reality would hit my dream state. And so I struggled with that for quite a bit. And I have no advice for anybody on this subject. But I do wonder what would have been like had I gone in there and actually witnessed him in that state, right, gone. I didn't. So I think it manifested in these these these these great dreams that turned into nightmares. You know, it's another way to describe it. However, that's getting to the purpose. It was a pretty rough time for me. And one of the only friends that actually didn't spend time with my dad was my friend Daniel. But Daniel at that time, the dumb Street. And as a consequence of my father dying, I I couldn't maintain my class load. He was the only son of the only Son the only Son, and the only son in the only son of the other side of the family. So I have this kind of legacy of only child. And he was, you know, I was the only kid. He was my dad. He's my hero. He was my he's my number one guy. So not to get off track, I suppose. When you're number one guy goes.\ Yeah, it's it's not. It's not easy, especially when they go 51. Nonetheless, Daniel lived, that's the first thing I need to take out is that word 'nonetheless', and I'll do my best to try; so Daniel lived down the street. I had to drop out deal with the you know, estate stuff so to speak. There's no money involved just you know, these things happen. People have to move out of their stuff. I had storage units. I was the only guy right so I had to deal with this stuff. postpone my degree in another year because the classes were taken so special realize that, you know, they weren't available until the following year, right? Not the semester, the following year, because they're either back to back complex math stuff. So anyways, I had to drop out, which actually, in retrospect may have saved me in so many different ways on a different track. But the funny thing, the funny thing is the discovery. And so there's company called spore works. And been around since 1997. Right? The reason we know this is because they had an ad. They had an ad, and I had it in High Times magazine. And you'll find, you'll get to know that I'm the guy who experiments with stuff used to experiment with rockets and explosives and moved into drugs and guns and fast cars, just fun stuff, right? Like the stuff that the fun stuff, the dangerous stuff. The stuff you're not supposed to do in truth a was just, I didn't handle it correctly, I didn't have the I didn't have the coping skills. And if you don't have those coping skills, and you don't have a lot of family, and you really don't have a lot of discipline, really. And you've got heroes, like names Charles Bukowski. And you got friends that are hilarious, that you'll find you can't trust them, but you love them. And like the best friends you've ever met. You know, you go on these adventures, and you have this kind of you have a different perspective.

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But at this time, it was not a good one. This time was pretty, pretty, pretty miserable. At the time. I don't know who initiated the thought it was Daniel myself, I couldn't tell you. But yeah, we decided, alright, we got to figure this thing out. We gotta figure out some mushrooms. So Okay. Time to put our brains to work. So we were afraid to have the mushrooms mailed to us, right that mushroom spores wrenches. So one of our friends Dave dick, who recently passed away. Dave, this one's for you. This is just a typical Dave dick move. And I sort of got his name stick. It's not a nickname. His name is David dick. Dave Dick is a looker, girls loved him. Like this guy had his game on luck, he, I don't even think he knew. I don't even think he liked dates, Matthews, but he knew that the girls like Dave Matthews. And he knew his odds were better picking concerts that the girls liked. So, you know, Dave would have never gone to like Danzig or Metallica with me. Sure shit, though. He's got like,he's got the right tickets in the right rows where you can actually talk to girls, and they can hear him. And that's Dave Dave's one of these guys. So Dave, can, you know we tell Dave the problem like we need to get these Dave's in, right. You know, Dave is not going to participate in any of the, you know, the Mechanization or the construction, you know, he's not going to contribute to any of this right? But he'll sure shit. It'll cheer us on. And if he can find a task that he can do, he'd be more than willing to help us out. And so, of course, we're like, Dave, we need to get these syringes workable. Where are we going to send him he's like, I know the perfect two. There's these two girls and God bless them. I can't remember their names. I have a terrible memory. But their nickname back in the day back in the like, mid to late 90s. In Tempe where the nose twins. And these are two really good looking girls. And they were really, really pretty. And they both had big noses. And they're like sisters, but they weren't sisters, but they had large nose and a friend of mine named Colin gave him the moniker the nose twins. And inside, it's stuck. They're really pretty girls, but it's hilarious. Anyway, so Dave goes over the nose twins. And this is a common hot back in Casey Morris's. Back in the day where there was really one bar in Tempe, that the kind of outcasts, the normal community would really propagate to right there. There were the things were the there was functions that let's say that the Alpha crowd, whatever the fraternity crowds, right, Alpha, Beta chi, whatever, that crowd had it, they're kind of they had their lines in Tempe. Right. Casey Morris wasn't their line. That wasn't their place. In fact, a couple times, people crossed into that line and it It really didn't end well. Most of the time for the guys coming in. Just wasn't a fit, right? It just wasn't. This is more of a if there were a beatnik poets, and they only had one place to hang out back in the 90s, it would have been Casey mores in Tempe, if there were beatniks right? Say there was a different atmosphere, there was a different group, but it was a tight group. And for years, it was populated by the same type group and the same bartenders and it was the most entertaining place on the planet. No joke with my friends at that place. I've laughed more and had more enjoyable interactions in probably any other place on the planet. And equally, I've had some terrible interactions that right, it's just to bar right. You know, ultimately, my youth was way too much fueled by alcohol. Ironically, the irony of all of that, is that I can't tell my younger self, hey, like, I talked to this, I talked about this scenario. It's like the John Luke Picard scenario. Go back to my younger self. 12 years old buddies opened up my parents liquor cabinet saying, Let's drink some of this. I'm like, Oh, my parents. No, but whatever, right? Let's go for it. started drinking at 12. Right. And this wasn't like, whatever. But yeah, I started like, hitting the booze when I was 12. It was fun. It was great. Right? Was it great? Yeah. You know, you look back on you're like, oh, man, I wonder if I would have done this different done that different, you know, these things kind of add up. Any of your whole like, first half of your life turn, you know, turn whatever age you think half is. First half of your life comes around, you're like, oh, wait a second here. Things could have been a little bit different. So you quit. You do what you want. I mean, you make decisions. Deciding one day you wake up, you say, You know what, Today's a day. I don't fucking care. Just that this, I don't think alcohol is working. And whatever mechanism you go through for that, you know? How have you maintained that that's on you? That's cool. For me, is just like, right. Before my grandmother died, I had this this thing, why why even drink at all anymore? Like not even enjoyable, right? So, for me, I was like, You know what, maybe I just drank the sauce so much. Like, I figured out what it was so as don't it doesn't appeal to me anymore. And sometimes I wonder was it the mushrooms? partly right? Was it the mushroom Saturday get to the mushroom. So Dave convinces the nose twins, like everything's cool. We're gonna have a package sent to your address. Okay? Ball in motion, right? And so, Daniel. Now it would be absurd for someone to say, Here take this pill, you won't feel any pain. It's not gonna actually cure your broken arm. We're gonna play tennis every day but you're not gonna feel it alright, mask it with something every day but not cure the problem. So what if there's a class of drugs or experiences out there that are kind of hit it quit move on. Reset drugs right that's what if there was a class of of drugs out there that reset your body in one motion? It doesn't let's doesn't it doesn't pump you full of things every day to maintain a different level it resets something those are two functionally different things. So having intimate familiar with depression, my entire life genetics, circumstance, whatever, probably a bunch of things right. But having experienced that over long periods of time, traditional drugs just the concept of in sucks period I need to take this in order not to feel that way. Right and so I think in truth a lot of people are hoping for and would desire a reset solution.

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Right, so let's walk back in time 1997 I can't tell you in truth, Daniel might remember I at this moment in my time. I don't remember if if we initiated the mushroom grow before or after my dad stuff. I know the apart I know the house that we did it and I know my room. made I remember the entire process. I mean, I remember having arguments with my roommate she was not into it. At that point, I didn't really care. Right? My dad said I was like bucket. She got over it. But it was funny. Her reaction. It was the 90s. Right? And so this is wild, wild west with the wild wild west was mail order catalogs, right, I swear to God, so So let's get back to the story. We wanted to grow mushrooms. All the heavy lifting was going to be done by Daniel and I were going to do the research to figure out how to make this happen. So one of the constituent ingredients is of course sports. Now this company sport works there in Tennessee, I believe. pretty positive they are they we had no idea at that time, legality or tracking or if this was a setup, or you know, all these things go through your head when you're in college. But it was a mail order catalog of sorts through the High Times are either new times or what are the equivalent there is and Phoenix new times, right? Could have been that magazine could have been items. But there's your article like by sport. So to this day sports are illegal to buy is long. This is where my interpretation of law and don't take my interpretation of law as law and say, Hey, this guy said this, it doesn't matter what I think you need to figure this out yourself and it truth. I've talked to a number of lawyers on legality boundaries, I would call them. And it seems that the boundary is anything with live mycelium seems to be questionable. So if you sell spores that are, you know, seemed like like an a solution that's been going on for nearly 30 years Now folks, believe it or not in the United States and internationally to Netherlands has a great a great open system too. So there's a lot of countries you can you can trade sports all day long, regardless of species type, whatever you want to call them, however, that the line crosses with live mycelium. So in 97, we were honestly legally able to obtain spores but as a as a, as a layer of precaution and obfuscation. We were a little nervous. And so Dave, Dave basically convinced those twins that we had a package that needed to be delivered to their house, which is two blocks walking from ours, and they were totally cool with it because it was Dave. So we threw them under the proverbial bus retrospectively, but they had complete plausible deniability. I think we even fudged the name or something. So few weeks later, of course, Dave, it's been checking on the nose twins. Maybe that was his thing Hold on. Telling you the guy was a hidden genius So I think I figured out how Dave benefited from this even more. So Dave would check on the nose twins every day. And he eventually got the package right. So spores came at that point, Daniel at Iron garden. And I don't remember off the top of my head, I forget the tech name. But yeah, vermiculite, brown rice. We built rice cakes with basically jars, inoculated, we sterilize the jars, and then injected the top. Yeah, with spores and put them in a cool area. Just really basic, basic old school. Literally old school. And the first machine that Daniel I built was actually not so bad. Had a timer and everything. But basically just a cooler right a humidity cooler with a cycle of humidity humidifier hooked up to a timer. And it had a series of of looped two gallon, if I can recall, two gallon soda cans to loop in and that would collect moisture, excessive moisture. And so yeah, we had a nice clean humidity system found a great closet at a undisclosed location. And yeah, so we initiated the process is while actually way more successful, then probabilities would typically dictate. So I think it was, you know, retrospectively, we got really lucky in truth, because we didn't know what the heck we're doing right? Maybe it's because we were overly caught Office that could have been at two, we really kind of went the whole, the whole full mile, which you know, if you go the full mile with like protective gear sterilization, and you really are mindful of the entire process. And the location where you're doing these processes, you can really increase your, your, your chances by being careful, I mean in truth and just mindful, biologicals, medicinal effect that would be more more akin to a reset. I think we're all very familiar, especially Americans are all too familiar with the subscription model starts with a prescription, right? They prescribe you something. And that the most profitable model for the pharmaceutical companies by far is to charge you a daily fee as much money as they can, to not but not actually solve the problem. Right? Right. If the drug solved the problem, all their money in research and time spent advertising it would evaporate, right? Because the problem would go away and people would be cured. So there is zero incentivization in in the American subscription model for that kind of absurd approach of actually solving problems, right. So if I told you there was a class of drugs out there that have existed and been used by humanity, since the birth of consciousness, you'd, you'd probably be interested, right? Surprisingly, now, people are scared, and confused. And no wonder we've had leaders like Nixon, who completely throw away decades of research and progress in favor of an ignorant authoritarian standpoint, we can dive totally deep into that and look at the facts on that. Or we can look at the more subversive and far more damaging approach, which, which was a moralistic approach in the 80s. Started by Nancy Reagan. I shouldn't say started by Nancy Reagan, she had very little to do with it, but she was definitely the figurehead. And there's nothing worse than a memorial figure dictating legislation, without any true depth, right. policies such as, say no to drugs, when the entire current of, of the medical, the medical design, the designed medical model is drugs. It's absurd. Say no to drugs. There's not a single person that I know, that doesn't take drugs in some way, shape or form. It's, it's absolutely absurd. It's how you want to perceive those Sure. Being towards if somebody tells them, it's okay, then then it's okay. And if the authorities tell you it's not okay, then it's, it's a moral or ethical issue. Whereas it's just their own mental slavery to a system in which they buy into, which is fair they want to buy into that system. It's reinforced by a lot of people, however, the the outcome, as we know, is just more of the same, more of the same. And in today's society of profit over people, it's not surprising, you know, it's just a here we are. So, the funny thing is, is you know, the disease caused by this kind of thinking or this this, the outcome of these kinds of thinking, just make the soil ripe for alternatives. It is, it is, it is is where the capitalistic system eats on itself, right? This is an Ouroboros type of scenario where they take so much money and give so little in return, that cheaper, viable opportunities, can completely undermine their entire model itself.

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Like just take, for instance, like the damage to the market. That if, if, if, if, let's say something like depression was cured, not saying there's a cure out there, I'm not suggesting the mushrooms are that I'm just postulating that. What would happen if everybody was magically cured of depression, and it didn't exist in its current forms, right? Like, for some reason, there's a connection in the brain, you take this thing, whatever that is. And you've you've you've transformed in such a way that you no longer need the daily regimen of of synthetic things or whatever you're taking to kind of counteract the environmental or behavrial, whatever pressures exist, right? You're able to deal with those without the use of these crutch drugs, these subscription drugs, and you're able to move on the market, there's a lot of money to be lost, right? There's like systems in place, like, there's, and this would be the argument for the candlemaker argument where, you know, somebody invents the light bulb, and the candle makers get together, and they say, and they get legislation behind them saying, Listen, this is going to put all of us out of business, we got to put legislation that prohibits the use of light bulbs, because we have entire structures involved for, like, you know, candles, everybody's been using candles forever. So like, we can't just, we can't just allow this light bulb thing to destroy industries. Now, if you read books, this is a direct reference. But if you if you put in legislation to protect the candle makers, you're doing more damage than good, right? Because, you know, that's called competition. And that's called ingenuity and, and stuff like that creativity. But this is where things like, fights for for oil in free market economies against solar, right, there shouldn't be subsidies on either side at this point, at all, period, there shouldn't be these are standalone businesses, proven by abilities across continents, so they should be working in a free market economy, as should all of these other things coming out. So of course, there, I believe there's a correlation. In Johns Hopkins, we'll get into deeper studies. And we're going to dive into those later episodes on just this, like efficacy with depression, and we're going to talk about mushrooms and stuff like that. There's also also other things like alcoholism, post traumatic stress. There is a number of things ADHD, says causes compulsive disorder, there's a lot of specific behavioral and whatever you want to call them say manifestations of, of societal problems, right? Like whatever those are, I think a lot of everybody's experiencing anxiety and stuff like that. So there's, it's kind of collective diseases kind of being spread, so to speak, just through anxiety, depression, uncertainty, blah, blah, blah. But then there's individual instances of certain types of suffering. And so traditionally, these things have been tackled, and you know, we've got the best drug companies in the world. And they're got the biggest budgets in the world. And they've got the, you know, the best and brightest in the world. So these, you would expect these companies by this point, to be making breakthroughs, right, and to really be creating new classes of drugs that actually are ethical, but they're not they're not just it can't be designed that way. It's crazy, right? Imagine that you mentioned being a really bright scientists like and you came up with a great drug, you're like, Hey, guys, guess what? I just cured blah, blah, blah. And the company you work for is like, that's great. never talked about it. Right? We're gonna buy this thing. This is, you know, or, and I've experienced this firsthand. This is actually I should say, experienced this secondhand, but this is the experience that I witnessed. Pharmaceutical company, I won't name them. Because I don't remember their name, which is good. But anyway, pharmaceutical company has a cheap drug that's being used in third world countries. I think it's a malaria drug. It could be something similar. But and I will get the details on this. If people are really interested in studies, and I will pull them and I'll have my I will have my guy pull the official study that really upset him, but shined a light really on the state. So, pharmaceutical drug has this drug, it's like, I don't know, 26 cents a vial on super cheap, but it does great things. Kids with a certain kind of cancer neuroblastoma that were taking this drug, there was a large spike in instances where the neuroblastoma cancers stopped, in its tracks, was paused, and they correlated it with the, with this drug, this cheap drug. So my friend's child died of neuroblastoma. His foundation has raised quite a bit of money in his memory to fund research and stuff like that. So these are the kinds of mark these are the kind of you know, you get these announcements down the pipe. You're like, oh, this is cool. This has promised to help cure cancer. This is from my friend's perspective, this is a type of drug that has promised to cure cancer or at least has promised and doing some kind of interaction with the cancer killed my kid. So this is something I'm interested in. He reaches out to the pharma companies and by the way, my friends a lawyer, right And a very good one that that he he's he's a very talented litigator, but but more so he's a vivacious reader, very persuasive, and he's got all the markers of true talent ever since I've met him nonetheless, stand up, dude, he reaches out to the pharma company and says, Hey guys, this is great, it's cheap drug. I'd like to study this other this guy's and stuff like that. And if I remember correctly and get the two details on this, that you think that this there's a correlation there, we need you to give us and it was some absurd amount of money, it was millions of dollars. So you need to give us insert absurd amount of money. So that we can look into this, and do some kind of x this, that and what so to validate it, however, we we retain all of the the discovery is the wrong term, but everything that they find out they own. And that that's all their IP, all their knowledge. And basically, what what they were saying is that, that the foundation needed to give them a bunch of money so that they could validate their their validate the correlation, but that there was no intention or obligation to do anything about it. It is really a disturbing.

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You would you would think no normal human human being with think this is kids with cancer, right? I go to somebody and say, Oh, my God, this is this is absolutely amazing. I imagined, you know, somebody you care about died. This. And for 26 cents a vial like this could stop another kid from dying. You'd think that that would be of like paramount importance. You'd think right? I mean, that's what normal human beings would think that this is a very important moment, right? Like, guys, like, I mean, but I've seen like bursting into the house like, hey, this drug, which cost 26 cents, or 28, or whatever it was, seems to stop cancer in certain kids with this type of cancer. Isn't that? Isn't that isn't that why we saved our money up in that way we raise money is to put things towards that right? And then have some sort of outcome or predictable, like, result that involves some sort of cooperation to help these kids. Right, some sort of like, oh, oh, wow, holy shit puzzles are being put together, let's solve the problem. But no, it's like kind of like the Vatican telling people to donate. And yeah, then you go to the Vatican, and they've got more money than then they know what to do with, like, literally could solve a little hunger for, you know, the next 500 years. Yeah, disappointment, I think is a great word. I would go as far as to say that's morally questionable. And, you know, I believe in a free market economy, however, like, what the fuck is that? Is that the free market economy that you want is that the world in which we've become accustomed to which is normal, normal behavior from a nonliving breeding, but entity, like a corporate entity, like this is how corporate entities are allowed to behave. They're all run by people, by the way. So of course, the person behind the letter didn't have any personal responsibility and turning down helping kids with cancer. Of course, that was some sort of executive decision above him. And he, of course, there was no responsibility, right? There's, there's obviously no, no evil guy in the room saying like, hey, we can't help kids with cancer. I mean, nobody's having those conversations because they're getting filtered through a system where that never comes up. Because it's a non issue. Right? It's like not a that's not why they're in business. It's not why they're in business, right? They're their business is not in solving problems. Their business is not in solving cancer. Right. I mean, listen, ad campaigns can tell people something, the opposite about what the company's doing right? But in truth, you got to really look at what's going on. And you wonder why, why health care so pitiful in the United States? Like, I mean, really, the funniest quote is, Russia is finding out why United States doesn't have good health care. All right.

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